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Postby MarkEdmonds » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:45 pm

OK! I stand corrected!! :)) Incredible!
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Postby Paul Woodlock » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:15 am

MarkEdmonds wrote:OK! I stand corrected!! :)) Incredible!


Isn't it? :) :)

hours later, I still feel incredulous over it.

The guy must be listed in the Guiness Book of Records for having the least amount of brain cells ever recorded in a human being.

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Postby Bob » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:22 am

The guy must be listed in the Guiness Book of Records for having the least amount of brain cells ever recorded in a human being

Have you ever heard of The Darwin Awards?

This is an award given postumously every year to the person who, through doing something predictibly and spectacularly dumb, has graciously removed themselves from the gene pool.
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Postby Bob » Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:32 am

Drywall / Watermelon Trivia (true, but humor):

Since you're using 5 layers of drywall, I thought I'd let you know that in a recent 'scientific' study by the Comedy Network they discovered that when droping 1' watermelons from a height of 15', that one to four layers of 4'x8' drywall held at the ends by people, are easily broken by the impact of the watermelon. However 5 layers of drywall were able to take the impact of the falling watermelon without breaking, unless it was thrown down.

So, in the event of a watermelon fight in your studio, you apparently don't need to worry about the walls.

(BTW, afterwards, they ate the broken watermelons.)
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Postby Paul Woodlock » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:56 pm

Yep. I've heard of the Darwin awards :)


A girl in Peterborough got the award a few years ago, for trying to pick up a sweet from the passenger side floor of her car while driving. While doing so, she drifted onto the other side of the road, and collided headon with a 40 ton truck. Whoops!

Glad to know I can throw water melons around :) Although on a serious note, I should imagine the weight of the layers of drywall themselves contributed to the failure from the impact of the water melon. Lifting 4 layers up at once would mean the sheets would sag somewhat, already under a lot of strain. :)


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Postby Paul Woodlock » Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:05 pm

Tuesday 20th April 2004 3:57pm

Greetings

Last night I spent a few hours marking out the top of the floating floor vertical formwork as accurately as I could.

In a few minutes I'm gonna get out my trusty power planer, and plane off the top down to the pencil line

Back laters :)


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Postby MarkEdmonds » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:23 pm

Bob wrote:http://www.snopes.com/photos/lumber.asp


This had been niggling me all day but it finally clicked: I knew I had seen something like this before - a Furry Freak Brothers cartoon - a trip to Mexico or something! I hope Gilbert Shelton wasn't the DIY genius in the photo.
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Postby Paul Woodlock » Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:49 pm

Wednesday 21st April 2004 10:41pm

Greetings

Today I have mainly being.....WELDING!!!

I've got to do the first fix on the Air conditioning unit soon. At least before I start building the inner room. So I'm trying to clear up some little jobs while I'm waiting for the Sylomer to arrive.

The external Unit of the Split Air-con system will be mounted on a wall outside the back of the garage.

So today I built a pair of heavy duty brackets out of 25mm x 2mm steel box section.

I din't even hae to buy anything. I have some steel box section stock ( about 30 metres worth ) lying out the back of the house. It was left over from when I made a bunch of studio rtacks a few years ago. It was covered in surface rust though, so I spent while grinding it down and set to work with the welder.

No major injuries, although I did grind a small section out of the base of my thumb, but thats nearly healed already.

Laster tonight I'm gonna get a supply lst together for the floating slab. I need rebar, chairs and L-Bolts.

The L-Bolts are going to be set in the concrete ( I don't wanna risk drilling close to the edge of the slabi n case it cracks ) , in order to bolt the floor plates of the stud walls down. I don't want the room falling off the slab when I turn the bass up :)

I don't wanna risk drilling close to the edge of the slabi n case it cracks

Anyway, do any of you UK people know a supplier of L-bolts. I Need them to be 8" Long ( 200mm ). Any help much appreciated.


cheers


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L Bolts

Postby uk03878 » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:40 am

Paul Woodlock wrote: Wednesday 21st April 2004 10:41pm

Anyway, do any of you UK people know a supplier of L-bolts. I Need them to be 8" Long ( 200mm ). Any help much appreciated.


cheers


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This guy can get them on order..(and it's close to P'boro)
C L B Fasteners
52 Laurence Leyland Complex
Irthlingborough Rd
Wellingborough
01933 272592
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Re: L Bolts

Postby Paul Woodlock » Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:06 pm

uk03878 wrote:
Paul Woodlock wrote: Wednesday 21st April 2004 10:41pm

Anyway, do any of you UK people know a supplier of L-bolts. I Need them to be 8" Long ( 200mm ). Any help much appreciated.


cheers


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This guy can get them on order..(and it's close to P'boro)
C L B Fasteners
52 Laurence Leyland Complex
Irthlingborough Rd
Wellingborough
01933 272592


Thanks mate :)


Although I have come up with an alternative plan... use threaded studs. Which has the added advantage of being able to be bolted to the plywood formwork as well.



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Postby Paul Woodlock » Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:22 pm

Thursday 22nd April 2004 6:10pm

Greetings Diary Readers!!


Procurement day today. I went down the building suppliers, and got a great deal on 83m2 of Rockwool RWA45 slabs. 16packs worth. So I ordered it!!

I'm only gonna be using around 25m2 for the floor, so SPAMMER knows where I'm going to store the rest for a few weeks. Dining Room or Conservatory? Either way I need to don my crash helmet for a while. Predicitably, Woman will get angry, and then get used to it <snigger>

That reminds me. I must buy a Crash Helmet!!

I also tried to get some prices on the Rebar for the Floating slab. The building supplier I use doesn't specialise in concrete reinforcement. ( I deduced that, because when I asked for Rebar, the guy behind the counter said..."What's that?" )

I also picked up some paint and fixings for the Air Conditioning brackets. Tonight's job in fact.

cya laters


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Postby Paul Woodlock » Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:45 am

Friday 23rd April 2004 02:22am

Greetings

When Woman came home from work I said to her "I ordered 83m2 of Rockwool today. I shall need to store 3/4 of it in the house for a few weeks. I bet you'll get angry at that, and then eventually get used to it?"

"Yep", she replied.

hehe.

Actually I've just thought. I should store a couple of packs of it in my temporary studio. no room in the corners, but a bit of extra bass trapping could be handy :)

The reason I ordered so much was because of price. The 2" thick slabs will lay between the Sylomer Blocks to dampen resonances in the airgap. I shall also be using the same stuff for the air gap between the walls and ceiling. That's an awful lot of area. 83m2 in fact

I ended up getting it for about 1/2 retail price. Which means £250 instead of £500. A good result.

Just to give you some idea of the cost of this floor...

Removing soil, modifying foundations, laying a concrete subfloor and getting Arseburn = £1,758

Sylomer Rubber Blocks = £958

Floating Concrete Floor, inc formwork and steel reinforcement = £784

Total = £3,500

Just like Studio Equipment the increase in cost for performance is exponential. The floor is running at about 40% of the total budget, and certainly won't give an increase in sound isolation of 40%

byeeeee


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Postby TimC » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:13 am

Good God man, you are a machine!

Thanks for forwarding the link, (man it puts my spare room project to shame!)

I'll continue to read with interest.

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Postby Paul Woodlock » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:35 pm

TimC wrote:Good God man, you are a machine!
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hehe - I sometimes wish I WAS a machine. I'd get it done even quicker :)

Thanks for forwarding the link, (man it puts my spare room project to shame!)


no worries mate :)

I'm sitting in my 'spare room] a.k.a temporary studio. I'm hot, clammy, claustrophobic and annoyed by Computer noise.

Hopefully it will also put my spare room to shame :)

[b] I'll continue to read with interest.

T


cool. There's lots more goodies to come. Building the room itself, installing the gear, testing, and building the acoustic treatment.

If I'm finished by Christmas, it'll be the best present ever.

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Postby Paul Woodlock » Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:10 am

Sunday 25th April 2004 02:10am


BUGGER ALL!!!
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Postby Bob » Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:38 pm

OK, so what did you suddenly remember at 2am?

(doing best curious cat immitation here)
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Postby Paul Woodlock » Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:27 pm

Sunday 25th April 2004 11:06pm

Bob wrote:OK, so what did you suddenly remember at 2am?

(doing best curious cat immitation here)


hehe - nothing. I fancied updating the diary, but hadn't done anything to the studio all day saturday, so I simply posted BUGGER ALL!! :) :) :)

Today however, I did put up the AIr Con brackets on the wall out side. 10 minute job. And, erm, I swept the garage floor. Exciting stuff eh folks. :)

There's not a great deal I can do now until the Sylomer arrives. I've ordered the plywood formwork for the floating slab, ordered the Sylomer, ordered the Rockwool, for not only the floor air gap, but for the walls and ceiling air gap too. I've left a list of concrete reinforcement steel and spacers I need with the building suppliers. ( ringing them tomorrow )

I can't brick up the doors until the floating slab has been poured and cured either.

Although the next week or so, I'll be getting together a cutting list of the studs walls and dywall. ( The Inner Room AT LAST!!!! ) You know, once I start building the inner room, I'll really feel the studio is coming together. Although the floating floor is a very important, and integral part of the studio, the palce still looks likea frigging garage!!!

I've also got to buy an expensive Crosscut Chopsaw soon. My carpenter friend Jonathan very kindly offered to lend me his even more expensive chopsaw, but I can only borrow it on certain days. The idea of the chop saw, is to save me tons of hours when building the stud walls, soffit wall, and lots of other woodwork. And also do it more accurately So I need one on a continual basis. The cheapest 'decent' crosscut saw I can find is £300. The plan is to sell it after I've finished the studio ( No doubt, just before I'll need it for a household job :doh: )

more ponderings tomorrow I guess

bye for now


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Postby MarkEdmonds » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:58 pm

Similar problems here in getting an affordable compound mitre saw. Anything good like Dewalt, Makita or whatever and you are looking at £300+ which I can't justify as I would have little use for it after the main work.

Unless it turns out to be a complete dog or can't do what I want, next weekend I am getting the Wickes model which is currently available for £80. If it gets knackered within two weeks heavy use and the warranty doesn't cover it and I still need one, I can buy another and still be at half the price of a big brand model.
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Postby Paul Woodlock » Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:51 pm

MarkEdmonds wrote:Similar problems here in getting an affordable compound mitre saw. Anything good like Dewalt, Makita or whatever and you are looking at £300+ which I can't justify as I would have little use for it after the main work.

Unless it turns out to be a complete dog or can't do what I want, next weekend I am getting the Wickes model which is currently available for £80. If it gets knackered within two weeks heavy use and the warranty doesn't cover it and I still need one, I can buy another and still be at half the price of a big brand model.


Greetings Mark.

The one I've got my eye on is a Dewalt DW707 ( £299 at screwfix, about £350 elswhere )

It's a cross cut chop saw. i.e. the saw slides back and forth to cut larger width wood.

The only reason I need such a beast is the sizes of the wood I'll be cutting, and I've also got some weird angles to cut for the soffit wall, etc.

Otherwise I would have gone for the Wickes job myself.

I had a word with my carpenter friend Jon, last night, and he said Carpenters are very snobbish about tool makes ( as are musicians and gear :) ), so at least I shouldn't have too much trouble selling a Dewalt chop saw after I've finsihed with it.

Make sure the wickes model cuts the sizes you want.


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Postby MarkEdmonds » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:10 pm

Just checked my on-line tool shop links.

I can find £280 at:

http://www.toolstation.com/search.html? ... walt+DW707

And £285 with free legs at:

http://www.ishop.co.uk/ishop/692/shopscr846.html

And £293 at:

http://diytools.com/store/detail.asp?productid=35779

Haven't checked delivery charges though.

There is also a "Toolbank" chain branch

CBS Power Tools Limited
V P Square,
Storeys Bar Road,
Fengate,
Peterborough
PE1 5YS.

Tel: 01733 343031
Fax: 01733 897151

e-mail: sales@cbspowertools.co.uk
www: www.cbspowertools.co.uk

If they honour the Toolbank on-line price, you could pick it up for £308.


What is your verdict on the Wickes saw? Any comments or previous experience of their budget range power tools?
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