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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:29 am

From: "Throatlatch Records" <ranjan@t...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 5:48 pm
Subject: studio design

Hi!
This is the first time I'm posting some message.
I am very new to this topic , and am just getting into setting up my own studio
for my Band's Albums and small Demos and indie releases.
The space I have is 38' x 11.5' x 13 ', witha bathroom of 3.5' x 4 ' in one
corner.
What sizes should the Control room and the Recording room be?
How much acoustic treatment will be required?
Can someone please guide me as to how to go about it?
I am from Mumbai in India. Here no one really seems to know about Fiberglass .
Is it the same as Glasswool? If yes, then what will fiberglass 703 be
equivalent to?

Please help me!!!

Ranjan
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:30 am

From: "Dave Martin" <dave.martin@n...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

: Hi!
: This is the first time I'm posting some message.
: I am very new to this topic , and am just getting into setting up my own
studio for my Band's Albums and small Demos and indie releases.
: The space I have is 38' x 11.5' x 13 ', witha bathroom of 3.5' x 4 ' in
one corner.
: What sizes should the Control room and the Recording room be?

It depends on many things - how much outboard equipment you have, how big a
console, where the entrance door(s) are into the space, whether you intend
to record mainly acoustic music or electric, the size of the bands you
intend to record (It would take more tracking room space to record a 17
piece jazz band than a 4 piece rock group, for instance - on the other hand,
if you were recording traditional Indian instruments, you may want an even
larger space so that the instruments sound appropriate for the style),
: How much acoustic treatment will be required?

That depends in large part on how you build your rooms and how you want them
to sound when they're done.

: Can someone please guide me as to how to go about it?

Your first step should probably be to buy the books that are the standard
recommendation- Building a Recording Studio On A Budget, by F. Alton Everst,
and the Cooper Book (someone help me out with the name...), and study them
for ideas. For some more advice and information, check out the Recording
Studio Design Page at: http://www.mcs.net/~malcolm/

Dave Martin
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:30 am

From: BASSMANCP@A...
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 7:01 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

In a message dated 2/9/01 12:55:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ranjan@t... writes:

<< Hi!
This is the first time I'm posting some message.
I am very new to this topic , and am just getting into setting up my own
studio for my Band's Albums and small Demos and indie releases.
The space I have is 38' x 11.5' x 13 ', witha bathroom of 3.5' x 4 ' in one
corner.
What sizes should the Control room and the Recording room be?
How much acoustic treatment will be required?
Can someone please guide me as to how to go about it?
I am from Mumbai in India. Here no one really seems to know about Fiberglass
. Is it the same as Glasswool? If yes, then what will fiberglass 703 be
equivalent to?

Please help me!!!

Ranjan

Hi Ranjan, and welcome

Since your starting from the beginning I would recommend reading
any of F. Alton Everest's books. "The Master Handbook Of Acoustics"
3rd. edition comes to mind first. His books are much more readable
than standard acoustics text books. He also has a book called "Sound
Studio Construction on a Budget" which is a practical guide to building
several actual project studios. Both these books will answer many
more questions than you have time to ask this list. They are available
at: www.amazon.com or www.musicbooksplus.com.
As far as your fiberglass question goes. To some people fiberglass
and glass wool are the same thing, but actually glass wool is just one
way fiberglass is sold. To answer your fiberglass questions check
out www.owenscorning.com. If they don't have an outlet in India (I
think they must) they do ship internationally.
You really should do some reading first. It will save you much
time and money in the short term and the long term.

Good Luck
Chris Preston
Cedar Ranch Studio
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:30 am

From: "John C. Griggs" <johng@c...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

BASSMANCP@A... wrote:
>
>>> SNIP <<<

> "The Master Handbook Of Acoustics"
> 3rd. edition comes to mind first.

The 4th edition is out now and available from Amazon.

Just my $0.02 (Canadian),
John

>>> SNIP <<<
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:31 am

From: BASSMANCP@A...
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

In a message dated 2/9/01 2:28:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, johng@c...
writes:

<< The 4th edition is out now and available from Amazon.

Just my $0.02 (Canadian),
John
>>

Thanks John,

Have you seen this edition? If you have, do you feel it is worth
the "upgrade" from the 3rd Ed. Any new surround sound info?

Cheers
Chris Preston
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:31 am

From: "John C. Griggs" <johng@c...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

BASSMANCP@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/9/01 2:28:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, johng@c...
> writes:
>
> << The 4th edition is out now and available from Amazon.
>
> Just my $0.02 (Canadian),
> John
> >>
>
> Thanks John,
>
> Have you seen this edition? If you have, do you feel it is worth
> the "upgrade" from the 3rd Ed. Any new surround sound info?
>
> Cheers
> Chris Preston
>

Well, I "upgraded" from the third edition, but the book only arrived
yesterday, so I haven't had a chance to scope it out yet. It was one of
a stack of new books I wanna plough through before I start getting into
designing my room and there are a couple of others on top of it on the
pile right now - mainly since I re-read the third edition from cover to
cover last summer. I'm passing my old third edition on to a buddy. I
bought the new edition based on the word that it had expanded sections
on QRD diffusers, so I don't know if there's any extra surround stuff or
not. I'm at work now and don't get this list at home, so I can check
over the weekend and let you know on Monday if you like.

BTW, for my money, the book to get on surround sound is "Surround Sound:
Up and Running" by Tomlinson Holman (someone told me he's the "TH" in
THX from Lucas Films, but I think that's actually just a coincidence -
he did work on THX, but I think the name comes from an early Lucas movie
title - "THX 11something-or-other"). It's extremely thorough and well
written and balances surround for video/movies with surround for
audio-only fairly well.

Cheerz,
John
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:31 am

From: "Arjan Sinnige" <pro-found@m...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

Hi,

> BTW, for my money, the book to get on surround sound is "Surround Sound:
> Up and Running" by Tomlinson Holman (someone told me he's the "TH" in
> THX from Lucas Films, but I think that's actually just a coincidence -

You are not incorrect, at least AFAIK, they teach at SAE that THX stands for :

Tomlinson Holman eXperiment

Never confirmed it myself but hey, if it smells like a cat, looks like a cat
and
miauws like a cat, it probably is a cat.

Arjan Sinnige

P r o - F o u n d Recordings
&
SAE Technology College Amsterdam

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www.sinetone.nl
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:32 am

From: "Dave Martin" <dave.martin@n...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

And I believe that the same thing was mentioned in Surround Pro, the
magazine with which Holman is associated.

Dave Martin
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:32 am

From: "Danny Stinnett" <danny@p...>
Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:19 am
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

Dave Title of the book is Building a Recording Studio by Jeff Cooper. Could
you give us a little more info on the music you are trying to record? Some
thing to consider is: soundproofing...if you are micing stuff, you are going
to need it pretty quiet. HTH Danny
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:32 am

From: "Dave Martin" <dave.martin@n...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 11:33 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

: Dave Title of the book is Building a Recording Studio by Jeff Cooper.
Could
: you give us a little more info on the music you are trying to record? Some
: thing to consider is: soundproofing...if you are micing stuff, you are
going
: to need it pretty quiet. HTH Danny
:
Thanks - I've been calling it the 'blue' book, as opposed to the black
Everest books.

Dave Martin
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:33 am

From: steve <whitaker@p...>
Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:32 am
Subject: Re: studio design

Yup, THX=Tom Holman eXperiment

He's the source for the info all right.
His papers to the AES are good reading also.

steve
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:33 am

From: "john@t..." <rockin@b...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 10:47 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

Dave Martin wrote:

> Your first step should probably be to buy the books that are the standard
> recommendation- Building a Recording Studio On A Budget, by F. Alton Everst,
> and the Cooper Book (someone help me out with the name...), and study them
> for ideas. For some more advice and information, check out the Recording
> Studio Design Page at: http://www.mcs.net/~malcolm/

"building a recording studio" by jeff cooper ISBN 0-916899-00-4

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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:34 am

From: "Dave Martin" <dave.martin@n...>
Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 1:29 am
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

That's why I couldn't remember the name - I just thought of it as John's
blue book (until he politely reminded me to give it back to him...)

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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:35 am

From: "Throatlatch Records" <ranjan@t...>
Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 4:37 am
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

Hi !
The whole point is how sound proof do I want it to be.
I have seen all this talk about a studio not being totally dead going on.
But the trend here in India is to make totally dead studios, or at least try
to, which is drawing me to conflicts with the acoustic experts.
The target recordings will be mainly of Rock Bands, vocal overdubbings, some
Indian songs with instruments like tabla, dholak etc.
I have gone through all the articles at http://www.mcs.net and want to make
it as per that specs only, but then space is a limitation, so we have to
make some adaptations.
I will be using a Hard disk based recording system, using cool edit pro as
the software.
Outboard eqpt includes 6 single unit rack mounted processors, A Dat
recorder, 3 Head cassette ecorder, an outboard 16 channel mixer.
The entrance to the room is on one end, full open.
Could this info help you in answering my questions?
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Postby archive » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:36 am

From: "Dave Martin" <dave.martin@n...>
Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:17 am
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

: Hi !
: The whole point is how sound proof do I want it to be.
: I have seen all this talk about a studio not being totally dead going on.
: But the trend here in India is to make totally dead studios, or at least
try
: to, which is drawing me to conflicts with the acoustic experts.

Totally dead studios were a trend some years ago in the US and in Europe,
but many studios have gotten away from that. I personally like for rock
drums to be recorded in a room with at least some ambiance.

: The target recordings will be mainly of Rock Bands, vocal overdubbings,
some
: Indian songs with instruments like tabla, dholak etc.
: I have gone through all the articles at http://www.mcs.net and want to
make
: it as per that specs only, but then space is a limitation, so we have to
: make some adaptations.

That's OK - every studio has to adapt what they would like to have with what
the space allows and what they can afford.

: I will be using a Hard disk based recording system, using cool edit pro as
: the software.
: Outboard eqpt includes 6 single unit rack mounted processors, A Dat
: recorder, 3 Head cassette ecorder, an outboard 16 channel mixer.

OK, then that's not a lot of equipment - at least it doesn't take up a lot
of space and generate a lot of heat. The biggest concern, then will be the
number of people that will be in the studio, I would think. And the
temperature of the outside.

: The entrance to the room is on one end, full open.
: Could this info help you in answering my questions?

THe biggest problems that I see is you'll want to be able to get from the
outside into the control room without going through the tracking room (That
way, someone making a delivery won't interfere with the recording), and
ideally you would want to be able to get into the tracking room without
going through the control room (think of musicians bringing in equipment -
you don't want them banging into your equipment). Unfortunately, as the room
is only 11.5 feet wide, I don't really see a way to do that without making
the control room very, very narrow.

So my first guess, especially if the bathroom is in the same corner as the
entrance, would be to make an entry hall/break room next to the front door,
perhaps 8 feet wide, and then the control room, which would be the whole
width of the building (11.5 feet wide and perhaps 15 feet in the other
dimension. By the way, I would put the console and hard disk system on one
side of that room, and the doors, one to the entry hall and one to the
tracking room on the other side of the control room. In other words, don't
think of looking over the top of the mixer into the tracking room, but
instead, look sideways. This is often referred to as a 'side loaded' control
room; this is a popular approach for Russ Berger; you can see examples of
side loaded rooms at www.rbdg.com. Then use the rest of the space for the
tracking room.

Of course, tomorrow, I might have another idea...

Dave Martin
DMA, Inc.
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Postby archive » Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:24 am

From: "Throatlatch Records" <ranjan@t...>
Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 6:27 am
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

hi!
If according to you we make control room facing the other way , won't the
space behind the mixer be very less, for reflections. In that case, do I
have to make that wall fully absorbent?
Could I make a passage 3' wide adjoining the Control Room to enter the
Tracking Room.
That would make it narrower still, but could we live with it?
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Postby archive » Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:25 am

From: Stephen Foster <oncourse@i...>
Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

Remember: "Soundproof" does not mean the same thing as "dead". Soundproof
means that sound does not escape out of or intrude into the room. Dead
means that the room is literally muffled, trapped, & etc to the point that
sound does not reflect at all within the room.

sf
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Postby archive » Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:25 am

From: "Throatlatch Records" <ranjan@t...>
Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

Please let me know what to do with my Flooring. Right now there are Marble
tiles all over. Is a Carpet over it enough, or do I have to float the floor?
As for the ceiling, will diffusers do the job, or do I have to float/false
ceiling it?

Ranjan
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Postby archive » Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:26 am

From: "Throatlatch Records" <ranjan@t...>
Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

If I want to use Glasswool instead of fibreglass 703, which is not readily
available here in India, how much depth do I keep for proper bass
absorption?

Ranjan
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Postby archive » Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:26 am

Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: [acoustics] studio design

----- Original Message -----
From: "Throatlatch Records" <ranjan@t...>

: Please let me know what to do with my Flooring. Right now there are Marble
: tiles all over. Is a Carpet over it enough, or do I have to float the
floor?
: As for the ceiling, will diffusers do the job, or do I have to float/false
: ceiling it?
:
Remember that all of my comments are merely theoretical, since I haven't
seen the room. But I would love to have marble tiles in my studio. They look
great, but are very expensive in the US. If your room is too live, you can
use small rugs to dampen some of the high frequencies. The main reason to
float a floor is to (A) keep the noise of the outside from coming into the
recording space, and (B) to keep the noise of the recording space out of the
control room. If you don't have a problem with outside noise, I don't see
any reason to build a room-in-a-room studio.

Dave Martin
DMA, Inc.
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